Tversity - Making it Work for PS3 *updated 11/23/09

[picman123]

KarnaG3,

I went to download 2.40 but it seems Sony is still having issues with it and no sense as when it will be available. So, I guess I will wait until it is available to try any further testing, unless you have any other suggestions.

The reason I use a switch is because I was just connecting my media Server PC and my PS3 without the router so that I could stream without stuttering. The rest of my house network uses the router in the network. But if I can get the stream to not stutter using the router than I will include my media PC and the PS3 in the same network. If this makes sense.

Edit:
The dlink router is actually what is connected to the modem/internet.

The switch is actually a hub that I use as a separate local network between my media PC and my PS3 which I can connect the router to if I choose to.

[NoOne]

I followed the directions to the "T"....and it should work but doesn't due to a security problem.

I'm running this on Win2003. I followed the directions and set the service to login as Administrator. I logged in as Administrator, added the content, followed the directions.

When I try to play or even copy content I get "The folder cannot be accessed. The media may have been deleted off the server"

I went back and specifically added Administrator to the security setting. I can copy to and from that folder on my PC with no problems logged in as the Administrator.

I tried even setting it back to Local System account for login instead of the Administrator account.

I even gave "Everyone" access to the folder...assuming maybe the decoder did not have access, but assumed it does since it runs under Administator.

It did work, albeit without MP4, before following the directions.

Any thoughts?

[edit]

I do not believe the K-Lite pack I installed for XP included a transcoder....I set it to Xbox 360 and they all play fine on the Xbox. I turn off the Transcoder and I get audio/no video for the PS3 so its not an access issue.

I followed the link provided...but never saw anything for FFDshow in the menu link after it installed.

I did NOT install the TVersity codec pack.

How can I verify?

[KarnaG3]

KarnaG3,

I went to download 2.40 but it seems Sony is still having issues with it and no sense as when it will be available. So, I guess I will wait until it is available to try any further testing, unless you have any other suggestions.

The reason I use a switch is because I was just connecting my media Server PC and my PS3 without the router so that I could stream without stuttering. The rest of my house network uses the router in the network. But if I can get the stream to not stutter using the router than I will include my media PC and the PS3 in the same network. If this makes sense.

Edit:
The dlink router is actually what is connected to the modem/internet.

The switch is actually a hub that I use as a separate local network between my media PC and my PS3 which I can connect the router to if I choose to.

Is your hub connected to the router, and via the hub to the router is how you access the internet?

If so, both your PS3 and PC connect to the hub, THEN the router. Keep in mind, the ROUTER ASSIGNS AN IP PER CONNECTION/PORT. I.E. If both your PS3 & PC connect to the hub, then from the hub to a *single* port on the router, then you are only getting *1 IP address* to connect to the internet for BOTH PS3 & PC.

Why do you use a hub?

I'd suggest connecting BOTH the PC & PS3 *directly* to the router & on separate ports, otherwise you are sharing an IP with both (most likely) as the router can't assign different IPs to individual ports on a hub. Your hub MAY assign a separate IP, but once the connection leaves the hub to the router, its only on 1 "pipe".

[KarnaG3]

I followed the directions to the "T"....and it should work but doesn't due to a security problem.

I'm running this on Win2003. I followed the directions and set the service to login as Administrator. I logged in as Administrator, added the content, followed the directions.

When I try to play or even copy content I get "The folder cannot be accessed. The media may have been deleted off the server"

I went back and specifically added Administrator to the security setting. I can copy to and from that folder on my PC with no problems logged in as the Administrator.

I tried even setting it back to Local System account for login instead of the Administrator account.

I even gave "Everyone" access to the folder...assuming maybe the decoder did not have access, but assumed it does since it runs under Administator.

It did work, albeit without MP4, before following the directions.

Any thoughts?

[edit]

I do not believe the K-Lite pack I installed for XP included a transcoder....I set it to Xbox 360 and they all play fine on the Xbox. I turn off the Transcoder and I get audio/no video for the PS3 so its not an access issue.

I followed the link provided...but never saw anything for FFDshow in the menu link after it installed.

I did NOT install the TVersity codec pack.

How can I verify?

1) A codec pack IS NOT A TRANSCODER. Tversity does the transcoding. Transcoding is on-the-fly decoding that sends a stream in a form the PS3 can always recognize (in a nutshell).

2) Its no surprise if you turn transcoding OFF it won't play most/all of your content. Content not recognized by PS3 needs to be converted somehow, thus the purpose of transcoding, and obviously, Tversity.

3) In K-Lite, it is NOT called FFDShow (as I said in the notes), its just generically labled "Audio Decoder" and "Video Decoder" with blue & maroon boxes, respectively, for icons.

If it is saying "media content may have been deleted off the server" then Tversity IS WORKING CORRECTLY! But is unable to access your media for some reason.

If you have changing your sharing settings in W2k3 AFTER you installed Tversity, you remove your said media drive/folders from Tversity, *clear the Temporary Media Files* in Tversity *before* re-adding the folders, then re-add them.

Be sure to give Tversity plent of time to scan the folders. Try running one of the files directly IN Tversity; if it doesn't play and gives the same message *IN Tversity* then you still have a sharing issue.

[matty_1210]

any 1 got the debug to work?

i have tried reg mech and all it does is sit there and scan. i have it scanning for 24 hours and it will still going and would not fix any think.

If its been scanning for that long, just kill it, uninstall it, reboot and reinstall it.

It should only take about 5min, MAX. Its not nearly as intensive as a virus scan.

iv tried it like 3 times.

What operating system do you use?

That's kind of odd that it would hang like that, but it may also be conflicting with your virus scan. McAfee and/or Norton may recognize it as a PuP or Malware because it accesses your registry. You may want to try to disable your virus scan while you run it.

Let me know

i got vista 64 but and yea i use mcafee. i will have to try stopping mcafee and then doing it but on the old version i did not have to do any think like that. i will give it a go and get back to u.

[picman123]

KarnaG3,

I went to download 2.40 but it seems Sony is still having issues with it and no sense as when it will be available. So, I guess I will wait until it is available to try any further testing, unless you have any other suggestions.

The reason I use a switch is because I was just connecting my media Server PC and my PS3 without the router so that I could stream without stuttering. The rest of my house network uses the router in the network. But if I can get the stream to not stutter using the router than I will include my media PC and the PS3 in the same network. If this makes sense.

Edit:
The dlink router is actually what is connected to the modem/internet.

The switch is actually a hub that I use as a separate local network between my media PC and my PS3 which I can connect the router to if I choose to.

Is your hub connected to the router, and via the hub to the router is how you access the internet?

If so, both your PS3 and PC connect to the hub, THEN the router. Keep in mind, the ROUTER ASSIGNS AN IP PER CONNECTION/PORT. I.E. If both your PS3 & PC connect to the hub, then from the hub to a *single* port on the router, then you are only getting *1 IP address* to connect to the internet for BOTH PS3 & PC.

Why do you use a hub?

I'd suggest connecting BOTH the PC & PS3 *directly* to the router & on separate ports, otherwise you are sharing an IP with both (most likely) as the router can't assign different IPs to individual ports on a hub. Your hub MAY assign a separate IP, but once the connection leaves the hub to the router, its only on 1 "pipe".

The reason I use a switch/hub is because I have 2 PS3'sand 4 computers that I have in my network. Upstairs I have 2 PC's run through a switch because I only have one ethernet connection in that room. The other PC's and the PS3's have their own ethernet connection that run to the router area. With only 4 ports on the router I need another switch to accomadate the 2 PS3's and the 3 PC connections coming to the router.

I can try putting the PS3's and the media server PC into the router ports and move the other PC's to the hub/switch. Other changes I have made since last post is that I have had to set a manual IP on the PS3 that I am testing with because I was getting a DSN error when the internet connection tried to connect to the PS3 network and the PS3 would just hang. The manual IP solved the issue. Also, I set up port fowarding on the DLink for the 41952 port and I opened port 41952 on the Norton firewall. I will move the PS3's to the router along with the media server PC and run some more tests until the 2.40 version becomes available and let you know the results. Thanks again for your help.

Edit:

After moving the PS3's and the media server PC to the router ports there was no change. I still have to restart the media server for the PS3 to see it and the *.ts movie file still stutters.

Since this test I have changed the PS3's and the media server PC to obtain IP's automatically and reserve the addresses in the Dlink. I don't think I mentioned that I am using the latest verion of Tversity as well. Any other suggestions before the 2.40 version comes out?

[TravKoolBreeze]

Has anyone had any problems when they changed the mpeg from mpeg16 to mpeg2 in RC1? When playing the file in mpeg 16, the file id on the PS3 will say mpeg2 until you watch the video where it says mepg1. Then after changing the mpeg to 2, the file doesn't work.

Make sure you are doing a full restart of the Tversity server before doing this. Otherwise it will not refresh the profile.xml file that is in use and it will just fail.

Let me know what happens; there may be another cause, too.

After going through each thing case by case. It seems when I configure the max video bitrate in the config file above 8000000, the file wont play. I know back in 0.9, I was able to have both mpeg2 and my bitrate @ 20000000 and have no problems. For now, I have left it 8000000 but some of my HD problems have problems streaming where as at 20000000, it had none.

[NoOne]

Ok so if I do have FFDShow then I have something left over from before...I did have Twonky Media installed.

In your directions what you described sounded exactly like FFDShow.

I want to make this work, the 360 sounds like a vacuum cleaner and we prefer the interface of the PS3.

Today I'll reload the server completely and start a new.

I've played around with so many things, including Nero Home that I've installed and uninstalled 4 programs so best to start clean.

Thanks

[acilate]

After following the walkthrough completely, I am still stuck in regards to any of my mkv files.

I installed the Vista codec pack, and it is using the Haali splitter by default.

When I try to play a .mkv file, I get the error "The folder cannot be accessed. The media may have been deleted off the server", however, this file has not been deleted, it is in the same folder as other files that play fine, with the same file permissions.

When I switch to the Gabest splitter, the movies actually play, but all the colors are wrong (inverted?)

Any thoughts?

[RaVen243]

Followed every step but ending when I select at PS3 a video, this gives network, DLNA protocol errors and TVersity goes offline.

Sounds like a router or firewall issue. Keep in mind, if Tversity server IS running, you attempt to access it and it drops, for some reason your network is not allowing the PS3 and Tversity to properly communicate.

You need to make sure your ports are correctly forwarded, your router allows UPnP and that your firewall is giving access to the Tversity program for internet and the port is also forwarded in the firewall.

Tversity.com & the install program now recommend that you disable the service labled "UPnP Device Host" to be disabled. This is because the Tversity server basically does the same thing, but exclusively for Tversity.

Please let me know if this works; if it doesn't, I need a detailed description of how your router is setup, and the name brand & model wouldn't hurt either.

Also, and this seems like an obvious move, but is not enabled by default, go into your PS3 settings /Network Settings and make sure Media Server Connection is enabled. In theory, you won't be able to see the Tversity Media server if it is NOT, however I have heard that this is sometimes not the case, and possibly due to a recent firmware update, the setting gets changed to Disabled, but the server can still be seen but not accessed.

Same as before, I could find the Media server but after selecting video in PS3 it's disconnected and it won't connect anymore (even after fresh install).

Have followed your guide to the letter, don't know where the problem is.

Router: Sitecom 300N Wireless
Network: Wired (connection PS3 via Homeplug powerlink - internet no problem)
OS: XP Pro

Via services I can not start TVersity as well, it tries but gives messages 'started and stopped, some services stopping automatically when no ..........'

[NoOne]

ok...I formatted the server, reloaded Server 2003, the K-Lite Codec, followed the directions exactly, rebooted 50 times, etc.

Now I get "Data is Corrupted" instead of the rights error. On the 360 I get "Data type is not supported"

When I play it in TVersity it downloads and plays fine in Media Player.

So I know I'm getting closer.

Any thoughts of what I might have missed?

[philhu]

KarnaG3,

I went to download 2.40 but it seems Sony is still having issues with it and no sense as when it will be available. So, I guess I will wait until it is available to try any further testing, unless you have any other suggestions.

The reason I use a switch is because I was just connecting my media Server PC and my PS3 without the router so that I could stream without stuttering. The rest of my house network uses the router in the network. But if I can get the stream to not stutter using the router than I will include my media PC and the PS3 in the same network. If this makes sense.

Edit:
The dlink router is actually what is connected to the modem/internet.

The switch is actually a hub that I use as a separate local network between my media PC and my PS3 which I can connect the router to if I choose to.

Is your hub connected to the router, and via the hub to the router is how you access the internet?

If so, both your PS3 and PC connect to the hub, THEN the router. Keep in mind, the ROUTER ASSIGNS AN IP PER CONNECTION/PORT. I.E. If both your PS3 & PC connect to the hub, then from the hub to a *single* port on the router, then you are only getting *1 IP address* to connect to the internet for BOTH PS3 & PC.

Why do you use a hub?

I'd suggest connecting BOTH the PC & PS3 *directly* to the router & on separate ports, otherwise you are sharing an IP with both (most likely) as the router can't assign different IPs to individual ports on a hub. Your hub MAY assign a separate IP, but once the connection leaves the hub to the router, its only on 1 "pipe".

This is NOT true. Using DHCP, a router will assign addresses to every device connected to a hub or switch that is then connected to the router.

If both devices are connected to the hub and the hub is connected to the router, they BOTH get IP Addresses.

Easy to check, on the ps/3 look in the network setting, or sign into ps3 network, either will tell you it worked.

On the pc, go to start,run, cmd, type IPCONFIG and look for an ip address and gateway setting for your pc.

[dasbooter]

It's a good guide and I'm sure it will help a lot of users.
However, I don't think going to other threads and posting "don't try that, just follow my guide" is such a good idea.
Users have tried and had success with other methods as well.

For one thing, I cannot recommend setting transcoding option to 'Always'.
If all else fails and as a last resort, then maybe yes.
One, it's going to waste a large amount of your hard drive, so you will need to periodically delete unused files manually or from TVersity's settings.
Two, transcoding is slow, so fast forwarding or go to function will not work.
Third, transcoding, by nature, will have loss of quality.
Say what you will, but some people want to keep 720p quality with 5.1 audio.

I agree with what you are saying bluedha for the most part

1) The hard drive space used is able to be set for your Temporary Files in Tversity. It will only use the amount you allow.

2) Fast forward and rewind work fine for me, even with MKV. *I suggest trying the "go to" function on the PS3 menu, this is actually a little more convenient IMO.

3) Transcoding will not, by nature, have a loss of quality. Transcoding is doing nothing more than reading the file and sending a data stream that the PS3 can read. In some cases, depending on your personal audio/video settings in your codecs, you may or may not see a degredation of quality. This is adjustable, and I recommend playing around with it to see if you can get better results.

4) (just to be complete) Transcoding of files natively read by PS3 helps to resolve *some* skipping/incompatibility issues that would otherwise result in loss of quality if played by PS3 natively anyway. This is due to variations in the DivX format, WMV format, AVI format, etc.

If you want to sort thru all of your video and filter out the ones that can be and can't be played by PS3 and then sort them into folders for ones to be transcoded and handled by Tversity and ones to be read natively by PS3, be my guest. Its just kind of a pain for someone like me who has about 1 1/2 terabytes of video.

I would be careful about your bold statements. Simple duplication of a file even in a digital format in the environment of todays desktops will ultimately lead to its degradation. Transcoding a file will almost certainly lead to a loss in quality whether that is perceived by the eye or not depends on too many things to discuss.

There is no end all be all guide. Sometimes it is nice to just follow the recipe and voila you get pie... but if things go wrong you are going to have to figure things out. "Just do it" doesnt work for me it may work for you.

oh and by the way I have like 1 & 3/4 terabytes of video on my screaming 5 disk raid array and it doubles as a rocket ship and blow up doll too

anyways this is a good thread and guide I would just relax a bit thats all... (goes back to dark hole whence I came muttering "stupid firmware upgrade in game custom music so close yet so far away..."

[Dimitri]

For now, it seems that I have no luck with my mkv's.
My solution with mkv2vob for now holds and when I set Tversity to allways transcode those files won't play (the .m2t files). So that is no option.

The warnings that are coming back again and again, are "this data is corrupt", "media server failure -lost connx or something" and "unable to open file, data is deleted from the library".

I'll keep trying different settings and keep you posted. My hope goes to the one mkv I've got image from, but a very distorted sound.

Thanks for your help so far.

[alui]

I've had similar problems at one time or other. If you can play your mkv's on your pc with no problem then one key is to make sure that the Tverisy mediaserver service runs as the same user as that used on your pc. This would ensure that Tversity is using the exact same settings. Another thing I've found out is that even when you have all the exact codecs installed correctly, you would still encounter the dreaded "data is corrupt" error if you've modified your ffdshow settings that don't work well with the PS3. I know for a fact that the PS3 is more picky than the XBox360 b/c I've had the same video that would transcode and play on the XBox360 and not on the PS3. Luckily at the time, I had one PC working, so I just exported the ffdshow settings from that PC and imported into the non-working one and everything works from then on. I didn't try to debug and find out what exact settings were causing the error. But that's something you can definitely try, and I suspect might solve your problem.

For now, it seems that I have no luck with my mkv's.
My solution with mkv2vob for now holds and when I set Tversity to allways transcode those files won't play (the .m2t files). So that is no option.

The warnings that are coming back again and again, are "this data is corrupt", "media server failure -lost connx or something" and "unable to open file, data is deleted from the library".

I'll keep trying different settings and keep you posted. My hope goes to the one mkv I've got image from, but a very distorted sound.

Thanks for your help so far.