Getting it to all work - A setup guide

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Getting it to all work - A setup guide

Postby DigitalWarrior on Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:07 am

Well, I've been meaning to post to this forum for a while now to contribute to the great work being done by the TVersity team.

First of all, let me just say "well done, great job" to the team on the new XBox 360 support.

I've been playing with media extenders for some time now and I'm a long standing owner of a DSM-320 that has clocked up a plenty of TV episode mileage so I've got LOTS of experience in streaming videos to my home theater system. I've tried numerous media servers and I can safely say that TVersity is the best offering out there by a country mile, and it's free!

I've spent a fair amount of time playing with the XBox360 / MCE combination since my 360 arrived, so I know all about that too.

This new version of TVersity is the answer. For the first time ever I can now stream every single video I have to my 360, without exception, with virtually no quality loss and with no lag. Excellent!

The problem of course is that this does require some configuration and as with everything you can't expect perfect performance without some setup and tweaking. So, I've decided to share my experience here and hopefully help out those who are still battling because, frankly, I feel their pain :)

First of all, a quick breakdown of my setup for reference:

XBox360 connected to Dolby/DTS amplifier and 42" Plasma - On CAT-5 network cable to PC.

PC Spec
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AMD 4400+ Dual Core, 2 Gig RAM, SATA-2 hard drives.

I'm only giving the specs so that people know what I using to get results.

My setup procedure for TVersity (on a fresh Windows installation) to play everything correctly is as follows:
1. Install Windows Media Player 11.
2. Install latest FFDShow.
3. Install latest AC-3 filter (required for streaming AVI files with AC-3 5.1 soundtracks)
4. Register mp4splitter.ax (google for it). This helps with HD Quicktime movies.
5. Install latest Quicktime Alternative.
6. Install TVersity itself.
7. Go to the settings in TVersity and check the settings. I'm streaming over a 100 MBs LAN cable so I find that setting compression to min results in excellent quality and my connection can cope. You might have a Wifi connection and so you may need to set compression medium or even average. It pays to play with the settings, especially if you are having problems with quality.

Important things to note that WILL screw with TVersity

1. Installing codecs like XVID and DIVX after you've installed FFDShow can cause problems with streaming AVI files encoded with those codecs. I strongly recommend that if you do encode movies that you install all your codecs first and then install FFDShow last.

2. Programs like AutoGK tend to install codecs when they install so watch out!

3. AVI movies with AC3 Dolby 5.1 audio streams don't seem to work at all unless AC3Filter is installed, eventhough they play fine on the PC.


Helpful hints and tips

1. The new version of TVersity has an excellent GUI that you can use to test streaming of movies. Basically, if you navigate through your shared media via the TVersity GUI itself and click a video to play it from there, TVersity will stream the movie locally to WMP 11 and will transcode it exactly the same as if it was streaming to the 360. This is important because it means that if it doesn't play via the TVersity GUI on the local PC then IT WILL NOT STREAM TO THE 360. This is how I troubleshoot. My 360 is downstairs and my PC is in my study, so it's a pain to keep running back and forward and I find it very useful to use the GUI to troubleshoot problem files.

2. The 360 has a +- 40 second timeout when receiving streamed videos, and that is why it sometimes gives you an error when you attempt to play certain movies. On my PC, which is fairly potent, I typically wait no more than 20 seconds max for a movie to start streaming from the PC (it takes a few seconds for the PC to build up a buffer). On slower PCs the leadtime may vary and the 360 may timeout if you are streaming very high definition video that is taking a long time to transcode and buffer on your PC.

3. TVersity will basically transcode and stream any movie that can be filtered and played by DirectShow. You will therefore be doing yourself a BIG favour if you get hold of:

a. GraphEdit.
b. GSpot.

GraphEdit is particularly important because by simply dragging a movie and dropping it onto GraphEdit you will be presented with a graphical representation that shows you how DirectShow is interpreting your movie and what filters and codecs are being used to play it. It will also, more importantly, show you why DirectShow can't play certain movies and exactly where the problem is. It's a great troubleshooting tool.

GSpot works in a similair fashion and will also show you what codecs are required to playback a given movie.

I hope this helps any newbies who are currently as frustrated as I've been over the years and are desparately trying to figure out why their XVid copy of Casino Royale has no audio and their HD Quicktime Trailer for Happy Feet just will not play :D

If I think of anything else, I'll be back to add it in.
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Postby dloneranger on Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:38 am

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Postby DigitalWarrior on Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:40 am

Thanks dloneranger, I suppose it would have been logical for me to post links for people in that first post, wouldn't it? :D
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Postby dloneranger on Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:08 am

DigitalWarrior wrote:Thanks dloneranger, I suppose it would have been logical for me to post links for people in that first post, wouldn't it? :D


<grin> easy to forget
Out of the two I prefer GSpot, you can alter the priority of filters and SteveG is a really helpful guy
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Postby Asinine on Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:36 pm

Thanks DigitalWarrior, excellent comprehensive instructions!

One question: How critical is WMP11 to making this setup work? I ask because I use a Windows 2003 Server to store my media, and while I can get some aspects to work, like streaming of .AVI, .ASF, and .WMV files, I'm having difficulty getting Xvid, .MP4, and other video to play.
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Postby DigitalWarrior on Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:29 am

Asinine, I think it's definitely beneficial to install WMP11 because it not only installs the media player itself, it also installs a new version of the WMV codecs that produce better output and are more efficient according to the numerous reports that I've seen.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's necessary, but I suspect that the versions of the WMV codecs that are shipping with WMP11 are likely to transcode more types of source video than previous versions.

As stated previously, I have found that FFDShow is crucial to success. For some reason it seems to be the only decoder solution that works properly on my machine. Even the actual XVID codec seems to cause issues in my case when trying to stream to my 360.

Also, make sure that you have MP4Splitter.ax registered, it has been reported that it improves some peoples ability to play MP4 videos and certain Quicktime movies considerably.
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Postby jadeddog on Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:35 am

any idea what could be the problem when you cant even play files within the GUI? the little play button beside the file never comes up and when you try to double click the file it always says "the media is not being re-scanned and the library is being updated"

this program has such potential, but sure is ridiculously complicated to setup
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Postby Asinine on Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:35 am

What I failed to mention is that WMP11 is not available for Server 2003, only WMP10. The install of WMP11 says its for XP only and won't install on a W2K3. :soapbox-on: I can understand from a marketing POV why it's WMP11 isn't really needed for W2K3, but the OS is so similar to XP, there's no reason why it won't run. :off:

I think I have everything except the mp4splitter installed, I'll give that a try. If that works, then I get 98% of what I desire and I'm happy. Thanks again for the install info and tips.
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Postby alexandertyler on Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:37 am

Asinine wrote:What I failed to mention is that WMP11 is not available for Server 2003, only WMP10. The install of WMP11 says its for XP only and won't install on a W2K3. :soapbox-on: I can understand from a marketing POV why it's WMP11 isn't really needed for W2K3, but the OS is so similar to XP, there's no reason why it won't run. :off:

I think I have everything except the mp4splitter installed, I'll give that a try. If that works, then I get 98% of what I desire and I'm happy. Thanks again for the install info and tips.


Can you run the installer in for WMP 11 in Win 2000 compatability mode? Not sure if that will help but give it a try.

Later,

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Postby Ocram101 on Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 am

Okay, i have downloaded everything i needed to, i have put a movie into TVersity.....Now where and how can i get that on my xbox 360, it is currently hooked up to stream wmv files from Media Center...but how do i find my movies on my 360 from TVersity??? any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Postby ronenmiz on Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:32 pm

When you in the media blade do NOT select media center. Select video and then computer. Now the 360 will search for computer and should find TVersity.
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Postby Asinine on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:26 pm

alexandertyler wrote:
Asinine wrote:What I failed to mention is that WMP11 is not available for Server 2003, only WMP10. The install of WMP11 says its for XP only and won't install on a W2K3. :soapbox-on: I can understand from a marketing POV why it's WMP11 isn't really needed for W2K3, but the OS is so similar to XP, there's no reason why it won't run. :off:

I think I have everything except the mp4splitter installed, I'll give that a try. If that works, then I get 98% of what I desire and I'm happy. Thanks again for the install info and tips.


Can you run the installer in for WMP 11 in Win 2000 compatability mode? Not sure if that will help but give it a try.


Doesn't work. The installer actually makes it farther, but then boots me out when it gets to the Genuine Validation #$%^. Nice tip though. At least I have VLC to convert my videos, which appears to be the only solution for me at this time.
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Postby ronenmiz on Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:34 pm

Try installing latest WMV codecs provided by Micrososft at: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/window ... nload.aspx

If this does not help use the Ace codec pack. Some users reported getting TVersity to transcode AVI on Win2k and 2003 using this approach.
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Postby Books on Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:50 pm

Do we need to also apply the 360 patch? I dont see it mentioned here.
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Postby ronenmiz on Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:33 am

No. Starting from 0.9.9.1 there is no need for the patch.
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